NerdWallet's Smart Money Podcast

Learn how to get past the fear of negotiating for higher pay, even when your employer might say no.

Why does negotiating feel so scary, and how do you get past that fear? Hosts Sean Pyles, CFP®, and Elizabeth Ayoola talk with Kwame Christian, a negotiation expert, CEO of the American Negotiation Institute and host of the “Big Swings Only” podcast. They discuss how the fear of rejection, awkwardness and damaged relationships can keep you from asking for what you want, the everyday situations where you could negotiate more than you expect, and Kwame’s three-step framework for tough conversations. You’ll also hear what an “internal negotiation” with yourself looks like, how shifting from a fear of failure to a fear of regret could change your approach, and why staying quiet can turn into resentment.

And what do you do when the job offer seems final or your company says it doesn’t negotiate pay? Kwame walks Sean and Elizabeth through why it can help to think about total compensation instead of salary alone, the five-word question that could reveal room to move in an offer, how outside offers may give you leverage with your current employer, and how to respond to a “no negotiation” policy without attacking it. They also get into anchoring, why repeating the other side’s number can work against you, when raising your voice could backfire, and how to turn everyday negotiations into deliberate practice.

Learn more about Kwame Christian’s work, his framework for negotiating anything and the app he recommends for tracking your career wins:

ANI: Negotiate Anything | Master Negotiation Today: https://kwamechristian.com/

How to Get What You Want Every Time: 3 Steps to Negotiate Anything With Anyone: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MV8xSekK-KE

Big Swings Only: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/big-swings-only/id1101679010

PepTalkHer: https://www.peptalkher.com/

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Learn how to plan and pay for a sabbatical, plus why cash advance apps may cost more than you think.

How do you plan and pay for a sabbatical, even if your employer doesn't offer a paid one? Hosts Sean Pyles, CFP®, and Elizabeth Ayoola are joined by Smart Money producer Tess Vigeland to answer a listener's question about setting up for extended time off work. They talk about how rare paid sabbaticals are, which companies offer them, and how to set goals for your time away. Tess shares the story of her three-year sabbatical in Asia, and the hosts compare the pros and cons of shorter breaks. They also get into building a sabbatical budget and sinking fund, why debt and emergency savings matter even more when your paycheck pauses, what happens to your health insurance, and what it can feel like to return to work. Plus, ways to get a real break when a sabbatical isn't in reach.

Why might cash advance apps cost more than their marketing would lead you to believe? Senior news writer Anna Helhoski talks with Candice Wang, senior researcher at the Center for Responsible Lending, about new research on payday advance apps. They discuss how these apps differ from traditional payday lenders (and how they don’t), why users may not recognize them as high-cost loans, how an average 232% APR and frequent repeat borrowing can add up, why some state payday lending laws don't apply, and what you could consider before using one.

Explore the Center for Responsible Lending's research on payday loan apps, plus NerdWallet's guides to sinking funds and COBRA coverage:

The Cost of Payday Loan Apps in Your State: https://www.responsiblelending.org/research-publication/cost-payday-loan-apps-your-state

Sinking Funds: The Secret to Stress-Free Expenses: https://www.nerdwallet.com/finance/learn/nerdwallet-sinking-fund-savings

COBRA Health Insurance Eligibility and Alternatives: https://www.nerdwallet.com/insurance/health/learn/cobra-health-insurance

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Learn how to handle money tension with friends and partners, from splitting costs to getting a loan paid back.

Is it fair for a friend to split every grocery bill with you when they earn far more than you do? Hosts Sean Pyles, CFP®, and Elizabeth Ayoola dig into some of Reddit’s messiest money conversations, with posts read by NerdWallet senior banking writer Spencer Tierney, credit expert Amanda Barroso and content strategist Jackie Tucker. You’ll hear why surprise payment app requests can sting, how rarely money values come up between friends, whether splitting every cost makes a friendship feel transactional, and what to consider when a friend borrows money twice and then asks whether they really need to pay it all back.

Then, how much money does it take to stop worrying about money? Sean and Elizabeth discuss why there may never be a magic number, how medical bills and rising health care costs feed financial anxiety, and what a viral article about Gen Z women paying for, and parenting, their boyfriends reveals about the difference between a wage gap and an effort gap in relationships. They also open up about the financial decisions they regret (or refuse to), from overstaying in a low-wage job market abroad to not setting money aside for taxes, and react to Redditors’ biggest regrets, including selling Microsoft stock in 1992 and skipping a prenup.

Read The Cut article discussed in this episode here:

https://www.thecut.com/article/young-women-earning-more-money-boyfriends.html

Follow the Reddit conversations discussed in this episode below:

Finance Stuff With A Friend

At what income or net worth did you stop worrying about money?

How To Ask Somebody To Pay You Back

What is a financial decision you will regret for the rest of your life?

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Learn how to rebuild credit while saving in sinking funds, and why 7 in 10 Americans struggle to afford the basics.

How can you rebuild your credit and save for big goals at the same time? Hosts Sean Pyles, CFP, and Elizabeth Ayoola are joined by NerdWallet senior credit expert Amanda Barroso to answer a listener's question about moving from repairing bad credit to building excellent credit. They discuss which habits have the biggest effect on your score and how to spot errors on your credit report. They also cover when a secured credit card could make sense, how rent reporting and credit limit increases might help, and what credit score you typically need for a travel rewards card. Finally, they talk about how to set up sinking funds so the pursuit of credit card rewards doesn't turn into overspending.

Then, why are so many middle-class families struggling to afford the basics? Senior news writer Anna Helhoski talks with Lelaine Bigelow, executive director of the Georgetown Center on Poverty and Inequality, about their new Family Economic Well-Being Index. The index finds that 70% of Americans struggle to afford at least one basic need. They discuss why renters face heavier housing burdens than homeowners and why child care strains families even at higher incomes. They also get into why health care is the most widespread burden and how stacked costs can leave a family one surprise bill away from a crisis.

Learn the strategies that can help you build your credit score faster: https://www.nerdwallet.com/finance/learn/raise-credit-score-fast

Find out how a secured card could help you rebuild credit: https://www.nerdwallet.com/credit-cards/learn/build-credit-with-secured-credit-card

See how rent-reporting services could help renters get credit for on-time payments: https://www.nerdwallet.com/finance/learn/rent-reporting-services

Learn how sinking funds can help you pay cash for big expenses: https://www.nerdwallet.com/finance/learn/nerdwallet-sinking-fund-savings

Check your credit reports for free every week: https://www.annualcreditreport.com

Explore the Family Economic Well-Being Index findings from the Georgetown Center on Poverty and Inequality: https://www.georgetownpoverty.org/issues/new-family-index/

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Learn how to build generational wealth and navigate the complex financial issues of being the first in your family to get ahead financially.

Generational wealth expert India Elliott, a financial advisor at Wells Fargo Advisors, joins hosts Sean Pyles, CFP®, and Elizabeth Ayoola to answer listener questions about building — and protecting — wealth that lasts. One listener, a first-gen college grad who relocated out of a small Ohio town, wants to understand how to build “real wealth” for himself and his family; India walks through her four pillars (earn, manage, protect, and grow) and explains how tools like trusts, life insurance, and estate plans could pass assets to the next generation with fewer taxes and fewer family disputes. A second listener has her own finances in order but struggles with watching loved ones make financial choices that worry her, navigating the concept of the “Black tax,” and figuring out when — and how — to say no to financial requests without guilt or compromising her own path to generational wealth.

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