My guest today is Ron Shaich, founder of Panera and chairman of CAVA.
The headlines will tell you that Ron built Panera into a $7.8 billion company. But the real story is far more interesting.
He went all in on Panera. He sold off every other concept they owned, like Au Bon Pain, to focus on on Panera.
His philosophy is simple: Be long-term greedy, not short-term stupid.
We discuss why profit is always a byproduct (focus on it and you'll lose everything), how to understand the customer, and the real costs of building something great. Today he's repeating the same playbook he used at Panera with CAVA.
At 71, he tracks his glucose continuously and works out every morning at 8am. He runs quarterly reviews on his life with the same discipline he brought to building companies.
This isn't about restaurants. It's about making painful bets when everyone else is optimizing for next quarter, and understanding that real commitment owns you—you never own it.
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1:43:44
Steve Wozniak: The Engineer Who Built Apple [Outliers]
Steve Wozniak is the engineer who built Apple.
Then he did something Silicon Valley still doesn't understand: he gave millions of his own money away to early employees, walked away from power, and refused to play the game everyone else was playing.
While HP rejected his design and competitors built walled gardens, Wozniak's philosophy of open architecture, the very one a young Steve Jobs fought against, is what saved Apple long enough for it to become Apple.
This is the story of the reluctant founder who won by refusing to compromise, and a blueprint for success without selling your soul.
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Chapters:
(00:00) Introduction
(01:31) Part 1: Pranks and Paper Computers
(18:11) Part 2: The First Personal Computer
(30:46) Part 3: Apple Computer Corporation
(41:02) Part 4: Apple's Decline
(46:02) Epilogue
(48:02) Rules To Live By
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Anthony Scilipoti: The Bubble No One is Talking About
Anthony Scilipoti is one of the sharpest minds in investing. He's the President and CEO of Veritas Group of Companies.
He called the collapses of both Valeant Pharmaceuticals and Nortel before they happened, and now he has some thoughts on AI.
We talk about asking better questions, reading the fine print, the role of short selling, and what it means to be wrong. We explore why AI gives you information but not insight, why cheap risk is often the most expensive, and why nothing matters until it does.
It's a conversation about the difference between seeing and understanding and the discipline to notice what everyone else ignores.
This episode is not investment advice.
It’s time to listen and learn.
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About Anthony
Anthony Scilipoti is one of the sharpest minds in investing. He's the President and CEO of Veritas Group of Companies.
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Approximate Chapters:
(00:00) Introduction
(01:26) Early Career
(02:53) The Enron Scandal
(05:48) Lessons on Auditing
(16:12) The AI 'Bubble' and the State of the Market
(18:46) Ad Break
(20:50) The AI 'Bubble' and the State of the Market (Cont.)
(28:12) Parallels Between the Fall of Nortel Networks and the Current AI Economy
(35:15) Ad Break
(36:10) Parallels Between the Fall of Nortel Networks and the Current AI Economy (Cont.)
(39:14) Investing Rules for Better Investments
(42:14) Red Flags to Look Out for When Investing?
(45:56) The Rise and Fall of Valeant Pharmaceuticals
(53:04) Is a Complicated Corporate Structure Bad?
(55:54) Companies Don't Start Out Being Crooked
(57:53) Why is EBITDA a Disastrous Measurement?
(1:00:47) How Should Investors See Stock Options / How to Account for Stock Options
(1:06:30) What Incentives to Look for in a Company When Investing?
(1:11:31) The Rise of Index Investing
(1:15:41) Buybacks and Share Count
(1:21:21) What Makes Warren Buffett a Unique Investor?
(1:26:58) The Power of the Retail Investor
(1:32:30) What Is Success for You?
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1:34:47
Jim Clayton: Turning Competitors’ Mistakes Into $1.7B [Outliers]
The incredible story of Jim Clayton and the counterintuitive strategies he used to build Clayton Homes into a juggernaut.
When the bank forced him into bankruptcy at 27, they literally seized everything, including his accountant’s calculator.
He started over and rebuilt following an unconventional playbook. He refused bad loans, vertically integrated everything, and played relentless offense during downturns.
While the home industry collapsed in the 1970s, 1990s, and 2000s, Clayton stayed disciplined. Competitors chased growth with loose credit and failed. He survived every downturn and bought their pieces.
When Warren Buffett read his autobiography, he called days later and paid $1.7 billion in cash.
The lesson: discipline beats hype, vertical integration beats vulnerability, and recessions are buying opportunities.
It’s time to listen and learn.
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Some of the lessons in this episode:
1. If you have to swallow a frog, don’t look at it too long.
2. Choose not to participate in recessions.
3. Don’t fight the flow.
4. The best legal department is happy customers.
5. Turn your adversary into an advisor.
6. Bad loans are a virus.
7. There is profit in precision.
8. Own the ecosystem.
9. When you’re lost, trust your instruments.
10. Plant seeds, don’t chase the toy.
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Tracy Britt Cool: Building Great Businesses
Warren Buffett called Tracy Britt Cool his “fireman” due to her reputation at Berkshire Hathaway for turning around struggling businesses.
Today, Britt Cool is the co-founder of Kanbrick, where she applies her knowledge to the middle market.
In this episode, you’ll learn how she went from writing a cold letter to Buffett to being sent in to fix struggling Berkshire subsidiaries, how to evaluate real business performance, and how incentives, culture, and structure line up to create lasting success.
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Approximate Chapters
00:00 Intro, recent reading, and family life
03:04 Alan Mulally's Turnaround at Ford
04:22 If you're not having fun 4 days out of 5, it's time to move on
05:03 The Pampered Chef Turnaround
07:06 Value Creation is Changing from Investing to Operating
08:38 Why Companies Fail to Adapt
09:23 Upbringing, education, and early career outreach
10:09 Lessons from the Farm
15:48 Writing Letters to CEOs
16:57 Lessons from Warren Buffett
18:25 Ad Break
20:57 Buying Companies at Kanbrick
22:38 The 3 Components of Long-Term Thinking
25:11 Avoiding the Complexity Trap
26:23 Turning Around a Declining Business
28:03 Attracting Talent to a Declining Business
30:29 Matching Structure to Time Horizon
32:00 Growing Margins
33:25 The Process: What to Focus on When Operating a Business
35:10 The Three Buckets of Putting People First
37:00 How to Evaluate Talent
40:16 Avoid These People At All Costs
42:23 Sourcing Deals
43:56 The Five Lenses to Evaluate a Business like Warren Buffett
45:14 How to Evaluate a Moat
49:29 How Quantitative Analysis Misleads
50:25 A Detailed Look at Return on Invested Capital
53:18 What Makes an Attractive Market
54:33 Finding High-Potential Businesses
57:00 The Post Close Playbook
1:02:03 Repeatable Business Systems
1:04:06 Why Copying What Works is Hard
1:06:01 Mistakes in the Past 5 Years
1:10:13 Debt and Leverage
1:12:20 3 Ways to Think about AI
1:15:13 What Most People Get Wrong When Hiring
1:21:12 Businesses to Avoid
1:22:35 What Not to Do
1:24:31 Public vs. Private Company Boards
1:27:04 How Warren Buffett Taught Katharine Graham Business
1:29:28 Each Hire is a Million Dollar Decision
1:31:02 Evaluating Integrity
1:32:36 The One Word That Changes Everything & Keeps People Honest
1:35:52 Principles & Lessons from Business History
1:36:59 Inflation
1:38:46 Quarterly Reporting
1:40:22 Public Company Heroes
1:41:41 Companies & Political Opinions
1:42:46 What is Success for you?
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About Tracy
Tracy Britt Cool is the co-founder of Kanbrick and former CEO of Pampered Chef. At Berkshire Hathaway, she worked directly with Warren Buffett as his financial assistant.
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