The Reverse Aging Club with Meredith Oke

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For decades, the advice on Wall Street was simple: take the emotion out of it. Denise Shull, founder of The ReThink Group and author of Market Mind Games, spent almost 30 years proving that advice is exactly backwards.
Denise's path started in a University of Chicago graduate program studying the biology of the unconscious mind, before a chance conversation with a floor trader pulled her onto a Chicago trading desk in 1994. What she found there, and later confirmed through neuroeconomics research, is that emotion isn't the enemy of good decisions. It's the mechanism behind every decision, from what to eat for lunch to whether to take a six-figure market position. Patients whose brain injuries strip away emotional processing can't even choose a candy bar from a vending machine.
In this conversation, Denise and Meredith explore what this means far beyond trading floors: how our relationship to authority, whether that's a doctor, an institution, or a headline, shapes whether we trust our own intuition, why sleep deprivation specifically impairs our ability to perceive risk, and why naming a feeling precisely before you act on it is often the difference between a good decision and a regretted one.
If you've ever been told to "stay calm," "think positive," or "don't let your emotions get in the way," this episode makes the case that the opposite approach, feeling what you feel and asking why, is the actual skill worth building.
Connect with Denise K. Shull
Social Media: @denisekshull
Website: therethinkgroup.net
Book: Market Mind Games (McGraw Hill, 2012)
Resources Mentioned
Damasio, A. Descartes' Error: Emotion, Reason, and the Human Brain (1994) — foundational research on emotion-damaged patients and decision making
Lerner, J.S. et al. — research on emotion and decision making at Harvard, including the finding that fact-saturation is not an effective strategy against fear-driven decisions
Knutson, B. (Stanford) — research on anticipatory affect and its operation across brain regions from brainstem to prefrontal cortex
2005 neuroeconomics meta-analysis (Caltech-affiliated authors) summarizing the field's foundational findings on emotion and economic decision making
Shull, D. "Freud's Path to Profits" — Denise's original 1994 article
Shull, D. Market Mind Games (McGraw Hill, 2012)
Timeshifter app — jet lag tool referenced for light, food, and caffeine timing protocols

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Dr. Kelli Ritter spent 30 years in clinical mental health before a deep dive into mitochondria changed how she understood anxiety altogether. In this conversation with Meredith, Kelli explains why she now trains anxiety recovery coaches through the lens of Applied Quantum Biology — treating anxiety not as a purely mental problem, but as a signal coming from the cellular level.
They talk about why the first 30 minutes of your day matter so much, how stuck emotions quietly burn through mitochondrial energy, and why a child's "difficult" behavior can actually be a body in danger-signaling mode. Kelli shares why she believes coaches have a real and important role in anxiety recovery, and why presence — not just protocols — is what actually creates change in a session.
The conversation also gets into the difference between surrender and collapse, why old self-doubt tends to resurface right as you're growing into a new chapter of life, and why chronic anxiety often eases once your daily life comes back into alignment — while normal, situational anxiety (the kind that shows up before something that actually matters to you) stays exactly where it should be.
If you've done "all the things" for your mental health and still don't feel like yourself, this episode offers a different lens — one that starts with the body, not the mindset.
Timestamps
00:00 Quantum Health Foundations First
00:43 Meet Kelly Ritter
01:31 How Mitochondria Changed Everything
06:19 Morning Sunlight Basics
11:11 Circadian Rhythms and Anxiety
13:35 Mitochondria and Human Behavior
17:25 Understanding Danger Signaling
21:19 Emotional Stress and Energy
23:14 Presence Over Protocols
29:45 Beyond Supplements and Biohacking
33:19 Returning to Nature
37:20 Anxiety as a Signal
40:34 Examples of Misalignment
44:00 Surrendering Into the Unknown
46:28 Energy Drains and Daily Habits
48:23 The Goldilocks Principle
50:55 Rethinking Mental Health
52:54 Surrender vs Collapse
58:26 Tools for Personal Growth
01:02:28 Alignment and Reverse Aging
01:06:10 Wrap-Up and Resources
01:08:29 Final Thanks and Subscribe
Connect with Kelli Ritter, PhD
Website: https://www.nourished-soul.com/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/dr_kelli
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/drkelliritter
YouTube: https://youtube.com/@drkelliritter
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We talk a lot about mitochondria on this show, but usually in the context of our own aging. This week we go back to the beginning.
Dr. Josh Madsen runs three pediatric clinics treating some of the toughest cases in the country: nonverbal autism, traumatic brain injury, cerebral palsy, genetic disorders. After thousands of case histories, he's found the same underlying pattern again and again. It isn't a behavior problem. It's an energy problem.
We talk about primitive reflexes, the automatic movements that should disappear in the first year of life, and what it means when they linger. We talk about the moro reflex and why it shows up in anxious, easily triggered kids. We talk about his own family's health crisis from a moldy house, and the shockingly high chlorine levels he found in his new home's tap water.
Josh built an acronym, TIMED, for the five things most likely to disrupt a child's mitochondria: toxins, infections, mitochondrial disruptors, emotional stress, and diet. Once you hear it, you won't unsee it in your own kid, or honestly, in yourself.
If you're a parent, grandparent, aunt, uncle, or anyone who spends time around kids, this episode gives you a completely different lens for the next meltdown you witness. And a much kinder one.
Timestamps
00:00 Why Mitochondria Come First
00:43 Meet Dr. Josh Madsen
03:20 Dr. Madsen’s Background and Clinics
05:11 What Is Functional Neurology?
06:53 Understanding Neurodevelopmental Delays
08:31 How Motor Skills Support Cognition
10:02 The Cerebellum and Coordination
12:14 The Developmental Pyramid
13:44 The TIMED Framework for Autism Triggers
18:17 Auditing Your Home Environment
21:05 Behavior vs Biology
22:36 Mold, PANS, and Parenting Lessons
28:17 Severe Cases and Shared Mechanisms
29:57 Mitochondria and Recovery
31:55 Why “Wait and See” Can Fail
34:27 Early Intervention Basics
36:51 Primitive Reflexes Explained
39:00 Movement History and Developmental Patterns
40:36 How Environment Shapes Development
44:05 What Parents Should Watch For
49:07 Helping Older Kids Catch Up
51:42 Reducing Environmental Stressors
55:55 Where to Find Dr. Josh Madsen
57:14 Final Thanks and Subscribe

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Website: www.iowainfinity.com
Instagram:
https://www.instagram.com/infinityneuromotor/
https://www.instagram.com/dr.joshmadsen/

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Twenty-five years ago, a hormone crash at 29 sent Jay Campbell down a path that made him one of the most recognized names in therapeutic peptides. Now a five-time best-selling author, he joins Meredith to cut through the noise around GLP-1s like Ozempic, why so many people using them are getting bad advice, and what happens when these tools are dosed correctly instead of maxed out.
This episode isn't only about peptides. Jay makes the case that no drug or protocol works without a foundation, and that foundation is mindset, muscle, and intention. He tells the story of meeting people in their 110s on the Greek islands who never formally exercised a day in their lives, and what that reveals about food, purpose, and community as tools for reverse aging.
Then the conversation shifts into something neither of them planned. Jay opens up about a reckoning with his own ego that happened days before this recording, and reads aloud a message he sent to his business partners that he's never shared publicly before. It's honest, a little uncomfortable, and a good reminder that the tools only work if the person using them does the quieter work too.
This one moves fast and goes deep. Come for the peptide education, stay for the reckoning.
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Timestamps
00:00 GLP-1 Dosing Gone Wrong
01:09 Why Peptides Are Everywhere
02:39 Personal Responsibility First
04:51 Show Intro and Guest Setup
06:01 Meet Jay Campbell
07:54 Jay's Health Journey
11:03 Pharma, the FDA, and Prevention
13:20 GLP-1 Microdosing
17:23 Klotho and Longevity
22:05 Follistatin, Muscle, and Fat Loss
25:29 Peptides and the Biology of Aging
28:27 Longevity Lessons From Greece
31:53 Mindset and Training
39:11 Metabolic Flexibility and Fasting
43:07 There Are No Magic Bullets
44:34 Ethics and Polarity
45:42 Serving Others Without Burnout
46:30 The Sandwich Test
48:34 Advanced Tools and Health Fundamentals
51:32 Why Metabolic Flexibility Matters
52:42 Discipline and Self-Restraint
54:43 Social Media and Discernment
57:21 AI and the Future of Thinking
01:03:41 Victimhood vs Sovereignty
01:06:32 Ego, Awakening, and Accountability
01:12:22 Big Game Board Principles
01:18:04 Why Fun Matters for Longevity
01:19:24 Closing Thoughts and Outro

Connect with Jay Campbell
Website: https://jaycampbell.com/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jaycampbell1971/
Resources Mentioned
https://jaycampbell.com
https://biolongevitylabs.com
https://dunedinstudy.otago.ac.nz

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What if aging isn't inevitable so much as it's a debt problem?
Dr. Leland Stillman is an integrative medicine physician who has spent years watching patients walk back their biological age. Not with drugs. Not with exotic protocols. With a clear-eyed audit of what's depleting them and what's building them back up. He calls it repair deficit: the gap between daily damage and daily repair. Close the gap, and you start to reverse the clock.
In this episode, Dr. Stillman and Meredith cover a lot of ground. Why "your labs are normal" is one of the most dangerous phrases in medicine. How the medical system is structurally built to keep you sick, not well. What generational health degradation actually looks like (granddad farmed outside until 104, you're exhausted at 45, and this is not a coincidence). And why connecting to nature is still, after everything, the most powerful intervention available.
Meredith is three weeks into drinking biophoton-enhanced light water from the LifeWave X2O machine. She came in ready to talk about detox symptoms. What she actually noticed was something closer to a spiritual retreat: emotional clarity, a louder inner voice, a sudden need to clean out every closet in the house.
There's also a story near the end about a patient, her teenage daughter, and a vase of peonies that will stay with you.
Episode 188. Dr. Leland Stillman. This is what reverse aging actually looks like.
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Timestamps
00:00 The Root Cause: Our Disconnect From Nature
00:35 Podcast Intro and Resources
03:05 Meet Dr. Leland Stillman
03:42 Reverse Aging and Repairing Deficits
07:24 Neuroplasticity and Emotional Health
10:21 Medical Dogma and EMFs
13:19 Stories of Reconnecting With Nature
18:19 Technology and Generational Health Decline
23:26 Scientific Evidence and Real-World Results
29:10 Prevention and Healthcare Economics
33:34 Why Prevention Works
35:29 Set-It-and-Forget-It Health Habits
38:05 Health Patches and Expectations
39:42 Auditing Your Habits
44:42 Purpose Over Health Trends
45:31 Light, Water, and Detoxification
47:56 Stress, Boundaries, and Saying No
51:42 Purpose and Longevity
54:16 Light, Matter, and Consciousness
58:33 Better Choices Without Shame
01:03:51 Wrap-Up and Resources
01:05:54 Final Thanks and Outro

Connect with Dr. Leland Stillman
Website: stillmanmd.com
Socials: @stillmanMD
Substack: https://stillmanmd.substack.com
Dr. Stillman Uncensored: https://drstillmanuncensored.com
MetabolicWise (health-trained LLM): https://metabolicwise.com
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