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It's great to have my friend Rob Lee back on the podcast. Rob and I discuss:
 
4:00 Dragos at 10 years old, the OT detection market, and will there be another OT market segment valued at over $1B.
 
24:34 What's new in the 2026 Dragos Year In Review Report.
 
33:06 The dichotomy between the high level threat identified in reports by Dragos and others and the low level of publicly acknowledged impactful attacks (outside of ransomware).
 
45:30 Ransomware ... 3300 cases on industrial organizations and is any of it bypassing IT and going after OT?
 
49:48 Back to the level of incidents, what can Rob and Dale agree on?
 
1:01:22 Integration of products like Dragos with other OT and IT information sources.

Few topics get as much heat as the current, future, and ideal relationship between OT and IT. One of the first posts someone just discovering OT makes is how OT is different than IT. As you dig deeper into OT you find an increasing case of the technology, processes, and even the people being similar to IT.
In this 90 minute long conversation format, we will try to bring some enlightenment to this question with a specially curated group of 9 S4x25 attendees.
 
About The Long Conversation Format 
Two people begin the discussion on stage. After 10 minutes a third person will tap one of the participants on the shoulder and replace them in the conversation. This continues for the 90 minutes. Participants are on stage for 20 minutes talking to two different people for 10 minutes each.

Dale Peterson discusses with Maggie how she got into OT security, her recent move to the Financial Sector, women in ICS security, and more.

If you're not interested in S4, skip this episode. Dale goes over the feedback from the survey and S4 Event's own thoughts on the event, Tampa, and more.

Dale Peterson speaks with Joel Langill, the SCADAHacker, about his new training course entitled Conducting Threat, Vulnerability, and Risk Assessments For ICS. A two day version of this course will be offered prior to S4x25. 
Of course Dale and Joel jump around a bit on training, the workforce and other items. Take a listen.