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Ann and Sue are therapists, podcasters, and co-authors of the newly published book Secure Relating. Known for their work on modern attachment theory, Ann and Sue offer a fresh perspective on the process of building and maintaining secure relationships, moving beyond the traditional focus on attachment categories to a more fluid and dynamic approach.

Expect to learn:

— The thinking behind focusing on "secure relating" instead of "secure attachment."

— What it means to "earn security" and how this is an ongoing process in relationships.

— Why attachment should be viewed as a spectrum rather than fixed categories, and the benefits of this perspective.

— How to become aware of your own attachment map

— Practical strategies for deepening security in relationships and applying secure relating to communities.

And more.

You can learn more about Ann and Sue’s work at https://therapistuncensored.com.

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Sue Marriott, LCSW,CGP and Ann Kelley, PhD are the co-founders and co-hosts of Therapist Uncensored, a top 10 Apple Social Science podcast that has over 10 million downloads to date. Through their podcast, writing, and training, they bring their love and expertise of modern attachment and the relational sciences to audiences both nationally and internationally. Their book, Secure Relating: Holding Your Own in an Insecure World (HarperCollins, 2024) has received critical acclaim for being a cutting-edge, essential read on attachment security and neuroscience. Sue and Ann are married, are out and proud parents of 3 now adult children and currently reside in Austin, Texas.

Ann Kelley, PhD
Ann is a licensed psychologist who specializes in couples therapy from an integrative, attachment-based relational framework. In her former clinical role, Dr. Kelley served as the director of clinical treatment for a state-wide juvenile justice facility, where she supervised comprehensive interventions centered on trauma work and rehabilitation. She served as expert witness for courts and was often the agency spokesperson for national and international media outlets as a key resource regarding treatment of early trauma as a divergence to incarceration. In addition to clinical work and podcasts, she provides workshops and training in interpersonal neurobiology, modern attachment and couples.

Sue Marriott, LCSW, CGP
Sue is a licensed clinical social worker who has been in private practice for over 30 years. Her study groups and workshops demonstrate her on-going passion for linking research to real-world applications. Sue has served on several local and national boards that support mental health in communities. She is co-founder and former President of Austin IN (interpersonal neurobiology) Connection and served on the Board of GAINS, the Global Association of Interpersonal Neurobiology Studies and is a current Emeritus Board member of the nationally-based, Family Equality Council, to name a few. She provides workshops and training related interpersonal neurobiology, modern attachment, and group psychotherapy.

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Interview Links:

— Ann and Sue’s website - https://therapistuncensored.com

3 Books Sue Marriott Recommends Every Therapist Should Read:

— Shadow of the Tsunami — Philip Bromberg - https://amzn.to/3Mbr4tP

— Decolonizing Therapy — Jennifer Mullan - https://amzn.to/3WOwWxU

— Setting Boundaries That Stick — Juliane Taylor Shore LMFT - https://amzn.to/3Xdfu7C

4 Books Ann Kelley Recommends Every Therapist Should Read:

— Attachment Disturbances in Adults: Treatment for Comprehensive Repair — Daniel Brown and David Elliott - https://amzn.to/3XcmSQD

— Hold Me Tight: Your Guide to the Most Successful Approach to Building Loving Relationships — Sue Johnson - https://amzn.to/3MfJuJS

— The Neuroscience of Human Relationships: Attachment and the Developing Social Brain — Louis Cozolino - https://amzn.to/3AGCfIa

— Secure Relating: Holding Your Own in an Insecure World — Sue Marriott and Ann Kelley - https://amzn.to/46XvzBx

In this episode, Niall speaks with Jayson Gaignard, founder of Mastermind Talks and author of the newly released book “Community Made”.

Jayson has built one of the world’s most respected entrepreneurial communities, bringing together thousands of high-performing entrepreneurs and thought leaders. Over the past decade, he has focused on what creates meaningful relationships and lasting trust.

In this conversation, they explore:

— Why no one is truly self-made and how relationships compound over time

— How he sold 21,000 copies of his book without a social media following or email list

— The strategies he uses to deepen relationships and build trust

— Why asking for help is a skill that can be developed

You can learn more about Jayson's work at https://www.jaysongaignard.com

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A veteran entrepreneur, Jayson Gaignard is the founder of a top rated business podcast on iTunes, and runs one of the world's most exclusive events for entrepreneurs. His invite-only event brings together brilliant minds like multiple NYT Best Selling Author Tim Ferriss, fashion titan Marc Ecko, biohacker Dave Asprey, and many more...

His work has been featured by influential publications like Forbes, Life Hacker, and Business Insider.

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Jayson’s website: https://www.jaysongaignard.com/

Jayson’s newly published book: https://amzn.to/4dQoZBs

In this episode, I’m joined by Dr. Haesun Moon— a coach, communication scientist, and author of the bestselling book: Coaching A to Z.

A pioneer in the field of solution-focused dialogue, Dr. Moon is widely known for her accessible coaching tools, especially the Dialogical Orientation Quadrant (DOQ). In 2023, she was shortlisted as one of the top 8 coaches in the world by Thinkers 50.

In this conversation, we explore:

— Why not all narratives are curative

— How Haesun’s Dialogical Orientation Quadrant can transform your coaching practice and any conversation

— Why asking “How can I help you?” may be the worst way to start a session

— The power of scaling questions—and how to use them well

— Why it’s vital to preserve the client’s language—and how empathy is often lost through interpretation.

And more.

You can explore Haesun’s work and training programs at https://instituteofcoaching.org

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Haesun Moon, Ph.D., based in Toronto, is a Communication Scientist, Adult Educator, and Executive Director at the Canadian Centre for Brief Coaching. She developed the Dialogic Orientation Quadrant (DOQ) and teaches at the University of Toronto and Harvard-affiliated Institute of Coaching and is an acclaimed author and international speaker.

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Interview Link:

— Dr. Moon’s website - https://instituteofcoaching.org

Dr. Robert Kegan and Dr. Lisa Lahey are pioneering developmental psychologists, Harvard faculty members, and co-creators of the Immunity to Change approach. Their groundbreaking work bridges adult development theory with practical methods for sustainable behavioral change in individuals, teams, and organizations.

In this conversation, we explore:

— How the Immunity to Change approach differs from conventional change methods by addressing the hidden mindsets that prevent lasting transformation

— Why our resistance to change is actually an intelligent immune system protecting us from perceived dangers

— The four-column process that reveals the hidden commitments and assumptions keeping us stuck

— How this approach can be applied beyond individual coaching to transform teams and organizations.

And more.

You can learn more about their work, books, and coach certification programs at https://mindsatwork.com.

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Robert Kegan and Lisa Lahey are Harvard-based psychologists and co-founders of Minds at Work, best known for their Immunity to Change framework. Their research and writing, including An Everyone Culture and How the Way We Talk Can Change the Way We Work, help people and organizations uncover hidden commitments that block growth.

You can learn more about their work at https://mindsatwork.com.

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Interview Links:

— Dr. Kegan and Dr. Lahey’s website: https://mindsatwork.com

— Dr. Kegan and Dr. Lahey’s book: https://amzn.to/44wteNV

Professor Jeremy Holmes — a clinician, author, leading Attachment expert and four time speaker at The Weekend University.

In this interview, we discuss the fascinating science of attachment theory, and how it can be applied to enhance therapeutic practice, including:

— The “dodo bird” verdict in psychotherapy

— The concept of the secure base and the extent to which it remains flexible throughout the lifespan

— How the relationship between caregivers and infants in early life influences attachment styles in later years.

And more.

You can learn more about Professor Holmes’ work and books by going to: bit.ly/jh-books

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Professor Jeremy Holmes is a clinician, author, leading Attachment expert, and three-time speaker at The Weekend University.

For 35 years, he was Consultant Psychiatrist/Medical Psychotherapist at University College London (UCL) and then in North Devon, UK, and Chair of the Psychotherapy Faculty of the Royal College of Psychiatrists 1998-2002.

He is visiting Professor at the University of Exeter, and lectures nationally and internationally. In addition to 200+ peer-reviewed papers and chapters in the field of psychoanalysis and attachment theory, his books include John Bowlby and Attachment Theory, Exploring In Security, Attachment in Therapeutic Practice, and most recently: “The Brain has a Mind of Its Own”.

He was the recipient of the Bowlby-Ainsworth Founders Award 2009.

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3 Books Professor Jeremy Holmes Recommends Every Therapist Should Read:

— Attachment in Adults - Mario Mikulincer and Phillip Shaver - https://amzn.to/3VwsZ1G

— The Role of Mentalizing and Epistemic Trust in the Therapeutic Relationship - Peter Fonagy and Elizabeth Allison - https://psycnet.apa.org/record/2014-14624-001

— Attachment in Therapeutic Practice - Prof. Jeremy Holmes and Arietta Slade - https://amzn.to/3IT0zYw