ESPN Packers reporter Jason Wilde joins Jen, Gabe & Chewy for a wide-ranging, candid discussion about Matt LaFleur’s future, the Packers’ reputation for being cheap with assistant coaches, and why firing the head coach would not magically fix Green Bay’s problems.
Wilde begins by acknowledging the awkward reality:
LaFleur is under contract, the extension is trending toward happening, and yet days later there is still no clarity. He calls the situation “weird,” explaining that the longer it drags out, the more speculation fills the vacuum — not because something dramatic is happening, but because the Packers are struggling to find common ground on years and money.
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🏈 LaFleur: flawed, but far from the problem
Wilde is clear: Matt LaFleur is not blameless. He has made mistakes, especially in late-game management and discipline. But Wilde strongly pushes back on the idea that LaFleur is a bad coach or the sole reason the Packers have stalled.
He explains that fans often oversimplify failure, ignoring:
Injuries that wiped out entire position groups
A roster that was never as strong as it looked on paper
Structural issues that go beyond one play-caller
Wilde reminds listeners that Aaron Rodgers’ public frustrations weren’t always wrong — they often highlighted real organizational issues.
🔁 Loyalty to a fault
One of the segment’s most revealing points centers on LaFleur’s loyalty.
Wilde argues the problem isn’t that LaFleur hires assistants he’s not threatened by — it’s that he’s too loyal to people he trusts. Coaches like Luke Getsy and Nathaniel Hackett were excellent in their original roles, but promotion doesn’t always equal readiness.
Wilde uses Ray Rhodes and other examples to explain how good coaches can be pushed one step beyond where they belong, and why the Packers’ constant promotion-from-within approach has created stagnation.
💰 The money problem no one wants to talk about
Wilde references a detailed piece by Justice Mosqueda that exposed just how cheap the Packers have been with assistant coaches:
Limited outside experience
Minimal staff turnover
A reluctance to pay for proven voices
He notes that offensively, the most experienced non-LaFleur coach on the staff spent four years with the St. Louis Rams — a stunning lack of NFL diversity in experience.
Wilde argues this isn’t just a coaching issue — it’s an organizational philosophy that must change if the Packers want to compete at the highest level.
🧠 The extension doesn’t guarantee anything
If LaFleur signs an extension, Wilde believes it likely adds two years, not a full long-term commitment. That guarantees money — not job security.
If things go sideways in 2026, the Packers can still fire him and eat the money. And Wilde says fans should actually feel good if team president Ed Policy ignores the loudest voices and makes decisions based on internal evaluation — not bar-stool anger.
“I don’t want someone making decisions based on what fans are clamoring for,” Wilde says.
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⚖️ The uncomfortable truth
Wilde closes with a balanced but firm conclusion:
LaFleur deserves criticism
He also deserves context
Firing him doesn’t solve staff quality, money, or structural issues
If the Packers want to truly evolve, it won’t come from a new head coach alone — it will come from paying for better ideas, better assistants, and less comfort.
🎧 A thoughtful, nuanced, and necessary Packers conversation — only with Jason Wilde on Jen, Gabe & Chewy.
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