Musician Craig Wedren reflects on his rise to fame in the D.C. hardcore scene, blending together punk rock, spirituality, and healing. In this episode, Chris and Craig converse about:From punk rock roots to a spiritual path: how Craig’s musical journey shaped his creative and personal lifeCraig’s first exposure to meditation in his 20sThe origins of music, sound, and vibration How music transcends language, culture, and generations to connect all peopleTranscendental Meditation and inspirational tricksters Searching for deeper meaning and spirituality in modern, often soulless societyCraig’s improvisational practices: free writing & free-form guitar playingCraig’s work creating original music for a therapeutic ketamine clinic called Kanopy Ketamine treatment for addiction recovery Craig’s rise to fame in the D.C. punk scene with his band Shudder to ThinkThe synergy between performer and audience How Craig’s cancer diagnosis brought him back down to earth and showed him what truly mattered“I found a lot of punk rockers or hardcore people are particularly drawn to eastern religions. A friend of a friend said once, ‘the search for something deeper in a world increasingly devoid of it’. It makes perfect sense that I am meeting people that later on get drawn to different paths, traditions, and teachings.” – Chris Grosso About Craig Wedren:Craig Wedren first gained notice as the dynamic, multi-octave-wielding frontman of Shudder to Think – one of the first Washington, D.C. bands to make the transition from the revered Dischord punk label to the majors during the grunge era. Wedren has released a series of solo albums and related collaborative projects. At the same time, Wedren’s music has become an essential part of some of film and television’s most popular and lauded shows. In recent years, Wedren’s endlessly creative spirit has also seen him release Adult Desire 360--a VR app comprised of 360° panoramic music videos featuring songs from his album Adult Desire; share the limited edition hard-bound book My '90s, featuring photos he took on his Polaroid Spectra in the 1990s and early 2000s that documented his late nights and early mornings on the road with Shudder to Think and time with friends including Fugazi, Smashing Pumpkins, Pearl Jam, members of The State and more; and Sabbath Sessions, his multi-episode podcast featuring musical meditations that represent his first explorations of ambient choral music, where Wedren’s technique of sampling and looping his famously elastic voice results in a unique kind of sound bath. Check out Craig’s website. “In general, the playground of my work, the sandbox of it, is pretty regulating I would say. I’ve been programming playlists and now I am starting to write original music for some friends of mine who have a ketamine therapy clinic.” – Craig WedrenSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
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Ep. 138 - Punk Rock, Ego and the God Shaped Hole With Ray Cappo
Blending together hardcore punk and spirituality, Ray Cappo inspires listeners to deflate the ego and serve something bigger than themselves. This episode is brought to you by BetterHelp. Give online therapy a try at betterhelp.com/beherenow and get on your way to being your best self.This time on The Indie Spiritualist, Chris and Ray delve into:The powerful intersection between hardcore punk and spiritualityLiving on the fringes of societyHow the hands of God can touch anybody, even in the most unexpected placesThe beginning of Ray’s spiritual path and being inspired by Harley Flanagan of hardcore punk pioneers Cro-MagsShifting inward: moving beyond the senses and the mind into subtle awarenessFrom chaos to calm: being in Samadhi rather than emotional turmoilKirtan and serving something bigger than ourselves instead of being the center of attentionThe presence of ego even in yogic and spiritual communities Finding oneness and connection with all beings, beyond outer labelsLetting go of idolizing people or things and reserving reverence for the divineConsidering how being in the spotlight can inflate the ego if one does not offer praise back to God and surrenderRecognizing rock bottom as a spiritual turning point and a hidden blessing"Nothing else will fit in that God shaped hole. If you make your spouse your God, or your dog your God, your house your God, that God is always going to let you down." –Ray CappoAbout Ray Cappo:As a teen in the 80s, Ray Cappo founded the hardcore punk band Youth of Today, which championed the principles of clean living, vegetarianism, and self-control. After experiencing a spiritual awakening in India, he formed a new band, Shelter, devoted to spreading a message of hope through spiritual connection. Ray currently leads yoga retreats, trainings, and kirtans at his Supersoul Farm retreat center in Upstate New York, as well as annual pilgrimages to India. He is the co-founder and co-host of Wisdom of the Sages, a daily yoga podcast that has been ranked #1 on Apple for podcasts about spirituality. Check out Ray’s recently released memoir, From Punk to Monk.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
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Ep. 137 - Being Held by Space with Lama Rod Owens
Teaching us to relax back into being held by spaciousness, Lama Rod Owens discusses the forces that help us remember real love, awakened freedom, and who we truly are. In this episode of the Indie Spiritualist Podcast, Chris and Lama Rod explore:The practice and embodiment of real love as revolutionaryTranscending violence and harm and the yearning for all to be freeHolding brokenheartedness with a lot of care and viewing it as a teaching Continued practice even as an awakened being Returning to a space of fluidity and opennessRiding the middle line between form and emptiness Cultivating a stronger relationship with Earth, even in an urban environment Mystical breakthroughs and navigating mental health through the lens of spirituality Getting distracted by euphoria / believing we are hyper-special instead of taking spiritual experiences as an opportunity to connect more deeply with humanity Meditative experiences that can be found in daily life and in our pre-existing hobbiesAllowing space for Western medicine when it is needed Untangling the notion that we have to like something or someone in order to love Returning agency back to community and the enduring spiritual traditions that will aid in our survival This episode is sponsored by Betterhelp & Dharma Seed:Today’s podcast is brought to you by BetterHelp. Give online therapy a try at betterhelp.com/beherenow and get on your way to being your best self.Join Krishna Das, the most well-known voice of Bhakti chanting (Kirtan) in the West, and David Nichtern - a senior Buddhist teacher, founder of Dharma Moon, guitarist in Krishna Das’ band, and producer of several of his albums - for a warm and engaging conversation about these two paths, their shared roots, and how they intersect in contemporary spiritual practice. Learn more about this FREE online gathering - THE HEART & MIND OF PRACTICE: BUDDHISM & BHAKTIAbout Lama Rod Owens:Lama Rod Owens is a Black Buddhist Southern Queen. An international influencer with a Master of Divinity degree in Buddhist Studies from Harvard Divinity School with a focus on the intersection of social change, identity, and spiritual practice. Author of Love and Rage: The Path of Liberation through Anger and co-author of Radical Dharma: Talking Race, Love and Liberation, his teachings center on freedom, self-expression, and radical self-care. Highly sought after for talks, retreats, and workshops, his mission is to show you how to heal and free yourself. A leading voice in a new generation of Buddhist teachers with over 11 years of experience, Lama Rod is highly respected among his peers and the communities that he serves. From these intersections, he creates a platform that’s very natural, engaging, and inclusive. Check out Lama Rod’s most recent publication, The New Saints, and his podcast on the Be Here Now Network, The Spirit Underground.For current offerings and programs, click here.“Is it taking you out of this moment, out of relationship with others around you? Are you having thoughts of being special and extraordinary? Is it helping you to be more human, or is it leading you towards this idealized state that seems to take you out of the messiness of humanity? I think that the real spiritual breakthrough brings us deeper into the experience of being human, of empathy." – Lama Rod OwensSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
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Ep. 136 - Wetiko: Understanding Our Collective Malady with Paul Levy
Paul Levy, a pioneer in spiritual emergence, chats with Chris Grosso about the concept of Wetiko and healing our collective malady.Today’s podcast is brought to you by BetterHelp. Give online therapy a try at betterhelp.com/beherenow and get on your way to being your best self.In this episode, Chris and Paul explore:The diagnosis of our collective malady and defining WetikoWaking up through the darkness Life as a collective dream we are all manifesting The mind virus we are all suffering from and what it can reveal to us The primary importance of the psyche in creating world eventsAccessing our divine inheritance and divine power Psychologist and Dream Analyst Carl Jung’s exploration of Wetiko The danger of turning a blind eye to our shadowsQuantum physics as a dreaming phenomena Shedding light into our unconscious mind Compassion as the ultimate dissolver of Wetiko About Paul Levy:Paul Levy is an author, speaker, and facilitator who describes himself as “a wounded healer in private practice, assisting others who are also awakening to the dreamlike nature of reality.” Paul brilliantly synthesizes wisdom streams from quantum physics, Carl Jung, Buddhism, alchemy, shamanism, Kabbalah, mystical Christianity, and the work of science fiction author Philip K. Dick. He has been a Tibetan Buddhist practitioner for over 35 years, was the coordinator for the Portland Padmasambhava Buddhist Center, and is the founder of the “Awakening in the Dream Community.” Paul’s books include The Quantum Revelation: A Radical Synthesis of Science and Spirituality, Dispelling Wetiko: Breaking the Curse of Evil, and Awakened By Darkness. Learn more about Paul on his website. "Wetiko is a Native American term but every spiritual tradition talks about it, just in different languages. This is the diagnosis. We've made a huge breakthrough. There's been a diagnosis of what's at the bottom of our collective malady. We're in the middle of a collective psychosis of titanic proportions, that is what Wetiko is.” – Paul LevySee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
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Ep. 135 - Freedom Through Sound Healing with Kelvin Young
Certified sound healer Kelvin Young joins Chris Grosso to discuss how to find freedom within institutions and systems.Today’s podcast is brought to you by BetterHelp. Give online therapy a try at betterhelp.com/beherenow and get on your way to being your best self.This time on The Indie Spiritualist, Chris and Kelvin explore:Kelvin’s first encounter with holistic healing in the prison systemHow Kelvin became inspired to change his life and get sober for himself and his daughterBecoming anchored through sound healingHow we at the subatomic level, we are vibration and soundHaving spiritual experiences at concerts regardless of genreIntegrating holistic practice into hospitals and other facilitiesMoving from hypervigilance to relaxation through sound healingMeeting people where they are at on their healing journeyThe science of sound and rituals around the world that utilize soundThe power of humming and using our own voice as a toolThe gong as an instrument of interconnection12-step healing as integral piece for many people in recoveryAbout Kelvin Young:Kelvin Young is a Certified Sound Healer and Owner of Kelvin Young, LLC. He is also a person in sustained recovery which means Kelvin hasn’t used alcohol or any other drug to cope with his mental and emotional distress since March, 6th 2009. Kelvin received his recovery coaching training at CT Community for Addiction Recovery (CCAR) and Recovery Support Specialist (RSS) certification at Recovery University. Kelvin has presented around the country in diverse settings, including CCAR Multiple Pathways to Recovery Conference, Alternatives Conference, Yoga Reaches Out, Newtown Yoga Festival, The Shift Network, Indie Yoga in San Francisco, CA, Alex Grey’s Chapel of Sacred Mirrors, Copper Beech Institute, CT Women’s Consortium, yoga studios, retreat centers, conferences, high schools, colleges, prisons, addiction treatment centers, psychiatric hospitals and mental health agencies. Today, he publicly speaks on addiction recovery to people from all walks of life. Kelvin also facilitates private and group sound healing sessions at different locations throughout the United States. Keep up with Kelvin HERE.“Sound has been that foundation for me to explore and understand that sound itself is life itself. It humbles me to be in awe of what all of sound is, the vibrations. Down to the subatomic level, we are vibration, we are sound, we are energy, we are frequency.” – Kelvin YoungSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.
Chris Grosso is a public speaker, writer, musician, recovery coach, and author of several books, including Indie Spiritualist, Everything Mind, Dead Set On Living, and Necessary Death. His work blends raw honesty with deep spiritual insight, offering readers and listeners a down-to-earth approach to healing and growth. Chris has contributed to Revolver Magazine, FANGORIA, and Huffington Post, and has spoken at major events like Wanderlust Festival, Yoga Journal Conference, Kripalu, Sun Valley Wellness Festival, the Chapel of Sacred Mirrors, and more.Chris’s passion for helping others extends beyond writing and speaking—he’s also a recovery coach with Make It Mean Something Coaching, a service offered through Action Creates Change LLC. He works with teens and adults navigating mental health struggles, addiction, and life transitions, offering personalized guidance that empowers clients to find meaning in their challenges and reclaim their lives.From leading groups in detox centers and rehabs to youth centers and yoga studios, Chris has spent years on the front lines of healing, helping individuals move beyond suffering and into transformation. His dedication to fostering connection and resilience earned him a place as a member of the Evolutionary Leaders.The Indie Spiritualist podcast brings raw truth and real talk, featuring interviews with musicians, artists, spiritual teachers, skateboarders, and actors. It’s an open invitation to explore life’s messiness and meaning—no pretense, no fluff, just real conversations with real people.Stay connected with Chris Grosso on Instagram and Facebook for more updates, insights, and ragged truth-telling.
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